Curse

Maverick2201 · Feb 27, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

No harm, no foul

'nuff said...

I guess I didn't take into account that there are so many in HM and they're bunny-hopping around that I'm likely to aggro more and more if I don't take them out quickly. I have looked at that page you suggested and I'm working on getting "Awaken the Blood" which will take my BM to 12 and have me causing 65dmg per touch @ about 130dmg every 2 seconds. I also have started carrying "Signet of Agony" with me which will give me a condition if I need one and do 58 AoE damage... too bad it has such a long recharge.

Hopefully I'll know soon enough if it works w/ HM. I'm pretty close to unlocking it for EotN. The nice thing about doing Touch Ranger is the Expertise, as you noted. I have my Expertise at 16 so a 15e Vampiric Touch/Bite only costs me 5e. If I have 4 or 5 hexes on me, which as you probably know is common w/ Vaettirs, I have a +7-10 Energy regen in addition to my +10 Health regen.

ragnagard · Feb 27, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Tried both right now with PvxWiki build + some running skills to get to there faster.

NM... slow but doable. You can almost kill anyone just cause you can aggro them separately.

HM... some groups aggroed are of 8 foes.... undoable. Got a group of 4 vaettirs and i... got RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed :P.

HM (for now....) not doable

ragnagard · Feb 27, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Doesnt Matter. Dwarven gives me (at 7 rank of deldrimor) a +77% duration for stances, so 10 + 10*77/100 ---> 17'7 seg duration.

I mean you can attract as many as ya want on NM and you can choose to aggro 1 to.... 6 or 7, because they are less .... "active".

In HM they are fully active (jumping and so on) on gangs, so they hit you so fast with their baseball bats and knuckles.... i got one leg broken and some injuries. Nothing that troll unguënt cant heal... in home.

Maverick2201 · Feb 27, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Yeah, I didn't notice the Dwarven... I deleted my post because I couldn't think of what to say... lol

There's gotta be something that makes this useful as its the same enemies w/ the same skills just... more of them and a bit more powerful...

Seems there might just be one piece of the puzzle missing as its so effective in NM

Also, it is taking me forever since there are only 9 spawning... I learned I have to the Blood Washes Blood mission before I get all 20 to spawn...

EDIT: What about something like "Throw Dirt"? It is an AoE blinding effect that should slow down their attacks. With 16 Expertise, it should blind them for 16 seconds giving plenty of time to re-heal...

EDIT EDIT: What about some skills like "Touch of Agony" and/or "Wallow's Bite" With the two vampiric touches and those two, you'd be ripping them apart pretty quickly. I might have to try some of this later...

I'm thinking about trying the following build:

Expertise 12 +3 +1
WS 7
BM 9

Melandru's Resilience - Vampiric Bite - Vampiric Touch - Touch of Agony - Wallow's Bite - Throw Dirt - Reckless Haste - Storm Chaser

ragnagard · Feb 28, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

That is fun, easy to do and maybe in other places it can work.(well it does as a N/M) But not with R as a profession :P.

If ya didnt know, that skills have a blood sacrifice that goes from 5 to 33% and that sacrifice... doesnt work as one should think at first.

You sacrifice x% of your max health, not the actual health. Yo, if you have 400 lhp, you will sacrifice 40hp (for example) even if your current health is, for example.... 100hp. doesnt look good to use em under preasure

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Those skills are powerful but...deadly :P. Basical touch skills only have good things (spend energy, gain life) but those others.... have that blood giving to... who knows..

Maverick2201 · Feb 28, 2008, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Yeah, you're probably right... I'll probably just stick with "Awaken the Blood" to add +2 to my BM taking the damage up to 65 per touch.

What do you think about "Throw Dirt" or something to slow their attacks? I always run w/ Throw Dirt in my normal build but I've found that the AoE of it doesn't always take effect. It always blinds the person I target, but seems to never hit any adjacent foes...

ragnagard · Feb 28, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Mmm ya still suffer a lot from the spells that dont rely on degen, like acumulated pain.

Throw Dirt is a good skill, very good, but it only last 13 seg (or near), and it got a higher recharge.

Throw dirt looks good to use it between stances on a "stance tanking" build, like ones used on N/Gr builds.

Its a bit difficult to find a key to kill those foes ^^. You have to think about an anti spell skill and something about their damage punching/wanding you. It is earth damage, so elemental skills like Storm chaser are effective.

Best bet known (a try) will be a running skill for agro and some place to use SS or something while not get hitting(if there is one). It's a mindbreaker problem.

tox_169 · Feb 28, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I got my first set of glacial gauntlets using a variant of the Resilient Touch Ranger. Took me quite a while though, as I wasn't actively farming it.

OgQTQ27iRa44NoGiTISoR84I1AA, I think. 15 ws 11 exp 10 blood.

Only in NM though -- HM wasn't there yet. Never tried doing it on my ranger (which is my main) when HM came, it could be possible taking on a few at a time, but considering there's 60 of them, it'll take a long while to clear em all.

With this ele build though, one could do it in HM with 60 vaettir in about 15 minutes per zone or less, rest/regen/pickup & salvage drops included, or the equivalent of 3 or 4 NM re-zones. For me it's become a matter of efficiency -- and it's my ele's turn to do the GW:EN rounds anyway.

Maverick2201 · Feb 29, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

So I've completed all the norn storyline quests, but I still only have 15 Vaettirs showing up in NM... how do I get the full 20 to show? Anyone know?

Also, ragnagard, what do you think of some alteration of this build for me to do what you guys have been doing?

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/E_Obsidian_Ranger

ragnagard · Mar 01, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

I... I dunno about NM :P.

I Just look at that idea with my eyes wide open. dont know about how it will work and... what changes need to be maded but... I am thinking about some things.

Ya dont need the glyph and you wont be knocked down, so 2 skill slots are open to creativity.
I read that you need a bonder and/or something more to be useful. So this will be in my mind as vaetting killing for items + reputation faction

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Working on it

, but it's time to go to sleep and try to get rest hehe.

ragnagard · Mar 01, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01

It's said that 1 image says more than 1 thousand words.

Let's show 2 then :P

Using Sliver armor, just got 5 damage to em (2 difference from the ele build), and other skill does a bit ... less but doesnt care.
Tanking, efectively, 32 vaettirs

And it's done, on our first test, on 10 mins

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High delver rank is required, as per se, SQ will last 31 secs and it recharges on 45 secs. Mine is currently rank 7. Could be upgraded, with patience, on Snowmen Dungeon runs.
Bonder is neccesary if ya wanna go sure... (not need for Storm chaser then)
Spirit Ranger is to get it done faster (although the skill recharge works pretty good w/out QZ). EoE helps a lot damagin all

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I dont think I need some of the skills like armor of earth. Without it and an anti-earth insignias on armor i got 0 damage now. Just testing it. This is Beta stage

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PS: I have Drakenden approvation to post his name on photos.

Maverick2201 · Mar 03, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

thanks for checking into this for me... I'm in the process now of building an E/Me... I have him up to lvl 12 now and farming lvl 20 worms in EotN. I should have him up to lvl 20 by this weekend...

ragnagard · Mar 03, 2008, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Maverick2201

thanks for checking into this for me... I'm in the process now of building an E/Me... I have him up to lvl 12 now and farming lvl 20 worms in EotN. I should have him up to lvl 20 by this weekend...

Ummm emmm, mmmmm, why dont you use the hand-to-hand combat at Gunnar's Hold?

You can be level 20 today in a few runs, even survivor. Dont need to kill that kind of foes, hehe

Maverick2201 · Mar 03, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

I guess thats true... I've never actually done that mission...

lietzaum · Mar 03, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

with hard mode glacial farming my guildie found a build that does work out it is close to the 600 smite farming with glyph of swiftness and a running skill
glyph used on (soa that is the key skill) and spell breaker
he showed me he took about 20-25 of them at a time

lietzaum · Mar 03, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

the build is the bip bonder vital blessing, life attunment, retribution, holy wrath, purge signet, blessed signet, blood of power 8th skill optional

for tank... storm djinn haste, gylph of swiftness, spellbreaker, soa, essense bond, balth spirt, blessed aura
i am not on my own computer or i would give you the atts but i hope it helps
srry for the double post

Abedeus · Mar 03, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Don't use Life Attunement. Get Balth Spirit on bonder, or you won't have place for Prot and Spirit bond on tank.

lietzaum · Mar 03, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

ohhh yeah srry i was not on my computer at the time i was doing it from memory but i maxed out my monks norn points just farming the galcial stones with the build so i know it works

Bo Fairfield · Mar 03, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Try using a -2/+45(ench) shield. It drops my damage to 0, and I can use whatever insignia I want, and no armor boost other then OF.

ragnagard · Mar 04, 2008, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Ummm.... Yeah, you can do it with a monk.... but....
How do you cast spirit bond so fast to tank the 24 vaettir together? :P And BTW this is more accurately, the Cathedral of flames build, better than Smiter-killer, imo.

I still love the Ranger + Bonder team but.. i dont need norn points anymore :P.

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Originally Posted by Maverick2201

I guess thats true... I've never actually done that mission...

That's not only true, I leveled up my rit, my necro(girl) and my dervish(girl :P) there in just a few runs/hours. You cannot be killed if you are not a noob who doesnt press 8 some times to get up again, lol. Well if you disconnect from server... is other thing

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If you'r going for survivor, this place + cheaper scroll on merchant will give you about 250xp per foe and 450xp in HM. (cheaper scroll = 200g, reward = 150g, almost free!

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